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Current series: 3/13 123 Reversals

 

 

 

 

[07:01] <PTopus> question–if i wanted to reproduce a 19K volume chart using range, what range figure should i use?
[07:02] <ericl> i don’t think that would be possible
[07:02] <PTopus> realy?
[07:02] <PTopus> bummer
[07:02] <PTopus> I use a 1 range chart now–any other suggestions?
[07:03] <ericl> when price is tuck in a range alot of volume can be going off
[07:03] <PTopus> true
[07:03] <ericl> and prices don’t move on volume
[07:03] <ericl> they move because the kettle starts steaming in the bid/asks get pulled
[07:04] <PTopus> oh
[07:04] <ericl> prices stabilize when value is perceived at the end of the move
[07:04] <ericl> and the buyers/sellers step in and find equilibrium
[07:04] <PTopus> volume does not precede price?
[07:05] <ericl> on a move up uyou’ll typically see a lot of volume on the ask befoere it snaps,
[07:05] <ericl> people are posturig to go long
[07:05] <PTopus> i am in the learning phase so i apreciate the education
[07:05] <ericl> but when it breaks the asks will dry up and price will leap
[07:05] <PTopus> o
[07:06] <PTopus> ok
[07:06] <enthios> don’t worry, it doesn’t effect our signals. but it’s nice to know, particularly if you are scalping.
[07:06] <subq> forget volume procedes price, think supply/demand ;)
[07:06] <ericl> i like to talk :)
[07:06] <PTopus> ok–cool
[07:06] <subq> precedes even
[07:07] <subq> supply/demand gives you a much better picture of things, being that either/or can change at any time
[07:07] <PTopus> ok
[07:08] <subq> i mean if you are getting theoretical and all ;)
[07:08] <ericl> yeah
[07:08] <subq> if supply is constant and demand increases we go up
[07:08] <ericl> who would supply their body in front of a freight train when it is coming at u full speed!
[07:08] <subq> if demand is constant and supply decreases we go up
[07:08] <subq> see :)
[07:09] <PTopus> good conversation
[07:09] <PTopus> thx
[07:11] <subq> tahts the thing about looking at volume and all that, what edge does it give you?
[07:11] <subq> being that supply or demand or both can change at any point in time
[07:11] <PTopus> right
[07:11] <subq> the universal truth is that a POC signifies where the most business has taken place
[07:11] <subq> so it stands to reason business will take place there again
[07:11] <PTopus> true

 

 

 

 

 

Eric showed this as a valid VPC based on previous contract...

 

Here are two reasons to buy:  Wave 5 reached, and first test of VWAP from above.

Other Applications for the Universal

You can use the UNI chart on other time frames as well. For instance, you can use it filtered, or unfiltered, on a 30-minute chart as a swing trading system.  Be sure to use Ensign's built-in back test function to give you a quick look at how the trade would look on the instrument and time frame that you are considering.  Simply click Charts -> Trade Detail. Very handy, when used in conjunction with the UNI chart! 

- Note this gives you 'unfiltered' trades only, i.e. it assumes that you take all trades that have the UNI setup, regardless of whether it occurs at a VPC line.

- Note if you use the method on a 5 or 30-minute chart, you might want to consider 'upping' the time-frame of the Natural Trading Range accordingly, to give you a nice filter.  Try a Weekly VPC, for example.

 

Careful: Watch for early morning trades around 8:30, due to the narrow NTR.


For  more 2008 trades, see the 2008 Archive


 

Today's ES Blog Lesson
Feel free to ask questions in our IRC chat room or in the Enthios Forum at Yahoo Finance.

 

Previous Lessons (Read these first!)

3/10 Building Blocks of Trading: MSL and MSH
3/13 Building Blocks: 1-2-3 Reversals


3/24 Measuring Fibonacci : Fischer vs. Miner

Disclaimer:

This does not purport to represent the teachings of Robert Fischer or Robert Miner.  To learn more about Fischer, buy his book "Fibonacci Applications and Strategies for Traders," on Wiley.  To learn more about Miner, check out his web site http://www.dynamictraders.com/ .

To learn more about the application of these and other Fibonacci methods, read our new book, New Frontiers in Fibonacci Trading.

 

There are many ways to use Fibonacci to estimate wave targets.  Some of them are listed in my Fibonacci Primer.  However to calculate the target of Wave 3 based upon the amplitude of Wave 1, there are two very different ways of applying Fibonacci.   Fischer uses one, and Miner uses another.  I use both, and like to see where the Fischer and Miner methods coincide.  In both cases, the Fibonacci calculations are based upon the amplitude of Wave 1, represented in the drawing below as line AB.  The difference though is in where those calculations are then applied.  Fischer applies them to point A (the beginning of Wave 1), whereas Miner applies them to point C, the end of Wave 2 / beginning of Wave 3.  The first example shows how Fischer applies Fibonacci.

Fischer:  Calculations on Wave 1 (AB) are then applied to point A to determine the Fibonacci target for potential Wave 3 (CD)

Fischer takes the length AB, multiplies it by 1.382 or 1.618, and ADDS that to point A to get the target for D. 

  • Note that the exact same targets can be achieved by taking the length AB, multiplying it by 0.382 or 0.618, and adding it to point B.

    For example, if A is 500 and B is 600, and if we are using the Fibonacci ratio of 1.618, then the target for  D (potential Wave 3) is either:

        ((600-500) * 1.618) + 500       = 661.8        OR
        ((600-500) * 0.618) + 600      = 661.8
     
  • Note that it makes NO DIFFERENCE what point C (Wave 2) is. 

Now let's look at how Miner applies the Fibonacci sequence:

Miner: Calculations on Wave  (AB) are then applied to point C to determine the Fibonacci target for potential Wave 3 (CD):

Miner takes the length AB (just as does Fischer), then multiplies it by (typically) 1.0, 1.27 and 1.618, and adds that to point C, which is the end of Wave 2 and the beginning of potential Wave 3.  Examples:

Taking the first chart, if B is 600 and A is 500, and if C has retraced 50% of that range to 550, and assuming we are using the Fibonacci ratio of 1.27, we would calculate as follows:

((600-500 * 1.27) + 550         =  677

  • With Miner, it makes a very big difference what point C (Wave 2) is.
     
  • Note, however, how close the Miner 1.27 calculation is to the Fischer 1.618 calculation.  This is often the case.  When this is the case, i.e. when two different methods converge to create a close target zone, it strengthens the predictability of that zone as a Wave 3 exhaustion zone.
     
  • Miner also uses 100% of Wave 1 (AB), applied to point C, as an important predicator for Wave 3.  Simply put, the measured move of AB is often the same as the potential measured move CD.  It is very interesting how often the Miner "Measured Move" comes close to Fischer's Fibonacci  target of 1.382:

    Fischer:  ((600 -500) *1.382) + 500 = 638.2
    Miner:  ((600-500) * 1.0) + 550 = 650
     

This actual chart from 7/22 shows the difference between Fischer and Miner, and also how they often line up quite well:

  • Turning points are labeled the same as the previous two examples, i.e
    AB = Wave1
    BC = Wave2
    CD = Wave3
     
  • The Fischer calculations of 1.382 and 1.618, shown in magenta,  are based on AB and applied to A.
  • Note that the Fischer calculations of 2.236 and 2.618 - also based on AB and applied to A - provide a good target for the Wave5 extension (EF).
  • Miner calculations of 1.0 and 1.272, shown in lime green, are based on AB and applied to C.  Note how they overlap with the Fischer calculations.
  • Wave2 (BC) retraced to 61.8% of Wave1 (AB).

In summary:

  • Great minds to not think alike, but there are more then two ways to skin a cat. 
  • Mix Fibonacci trading methods, not metaphors.
  • There are many other ways to use Fibonacci to target exhaustion points.  Major retracements are perhaps the most dependable. 

 

Happy trading!

 

3/13 Building Blocks of Trading: 1-2-3 Reversals

The next important building block is made up of MSL’s and MSH’s.  Just as a MSL is the first sign of a potential reversal in prices, the combination of a MSL, a MSH, then a MSL that is higher than the first one, is a confirmation pattern that a down trend has reversed into an up trend.  This is illustrated in Figure 4. 

Figure 4: Upside 1-2-3 Reversal

Note that the MSL trigger on the higher MSL is the first point of entry for a reversal trade, however the reversal is not confirmed until prices move above the high of the previous MSH.

 

The difference between a MSH and a Swing High

Some of my trading friend have pointed out that a MSH is exactly the same as a Swing High.  That probably is the case. Certainly every swing high is made up of a MSH at its apex.  However there are some instances where a MSH is not a swing high.

 


3/10 Building Blocks of Trading: MSL and MSH

Everything in nature is made up of building blocks.  Just as the universe is made up of atoms, so the market is made up of basic units called Market Structures.  And just as there are two basic part to an atoms – protons and electrons – so in the market there are two types of structures, Market Structure High and Market Structure Low.  Most price movement in the market can be defined in terms of MSL’s and MSH’s, and the ranges that are found in-between them.  Likewise, everything you find at enthios.com is, for the most part,  defined in terms of MSL’s, MSH’s, and the building block that they form together, 1-2-3 Reversals.

Market Structure Low (MSL)

A Market Structure Low (MSL) is the first sign of a potential reversal in prices from a downtrend to an up trend.  It is usually made up of three price bars (or candles): A low, a lower low, and then a higher low.  The “Low” is measured from the actual low of the candle, not the closing price.  Ideally, as shown in Figure1, the Low and Lower Low will both be “down” bars (where the closing price is lower than the open price), whereas the third bar, the Higher Low, will be an up bar.

 

Figure 1 - MSL

The MSL is actually triggered when prices subsequently move above the high of the third candle, as shown by the dotted line.  Of course, it is dangerous to enter a long trade simply on the trigger of a MSL.  But this book is filled with ample opportunities to use the MSL and MSH as triggers for different trades.

 A MSL can also be made up of two bars or candles when they both have the same low. This is known as a double bottom, as shown in Figure 2.  Again, ideally the first bar of the double bottom will be a down bar, and the second will be an up bar.   In this example, the second is a doji (open and close were the same), which is neutral.

 Figure 2: Double Bottom MSL

Market Structure High (MSH)

The opposite of a MSL is a Market Structure High (MSH).   It is the first sign of a potential reversal in prices.  A MSH is usually made up of three price bars (or candles): A high, a higher high, and then a lower high.  The “High” is measured from the actual high of the bar, not the closing price. 

Again, the MSH is triggered short when prices move below the low of the third bar in the MSH pattern.

Figure 3: MSH